Across the Western World there’s a drop in people stepping up for ordination.

There’s a critical problem here in Sydney, with more than ten percent of churches without a senior minister.

How have we come from ‘oversupply’ just a few years ago to ‘crucial shortage’?

And what can we change?

A fortnight ago we spoke to former Sydney Dean Phillip Jensen and he rolled a 'hand grenade down the aisle.'  

Today we talk to two of Sydney’s leading senior ministers Phil Colgan and Simon Flinders about possible ways forward. 

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